Cake Challenge - Historical Posts

Following are all the posts I made on this to TNP to date:

$68.47 current total

Some rough sessions with a few hands where I hate my play, but overall I think I played +EV poker with –EV results.

2007.10.18

NLHE

My only win (and only marginally interesting hand) was when I raised with 53s on the button having been tight the whole time, and followed up with a successful c-bet. Then the table disintegrated and I bailed.

$4 -- > $3.89

20 Hands

Next table…

Unfortunate. Unusually tight play from wxdoc. I don’t expect people to fear boats like that at micro. Heck, I would have called a raise.

Chased stupidly with T9. –EV poker at its finest!

(KK) I took a shot at the c-bet in the face of an ace, slowed down on the turn after the call, and in doing so let the flush get there. Bah. He could have got me to call a small river bet, but nice river check, dude.

77. I don't know...do you like the set mine in the face of capping the action and given the stack sizes? It’s almost a third of my chips, but the price was tempting since I’m almost guaranteed to get paid by one of these three if I hit the set. I’ll do the math later…

$2 add on.

Man, just not hitting this session (AJs), but in this case, a good thing, then a bad thing. Would have chopped with the aces.

I hate my play in this hand on every street, especially the call of the massive all in. I wasn’t fully engaged, and raised thinking I was in late position. Slipped into “He’s probably a donk” syndrome with the all-in call and became one, despite my repeated warnings about all-in overbets online.

I like that it set me up for a nice fake-tilt the next hand though. Unlike a certain set of jacks I had in a similar live-game situation recently, three of a kind held up here. Offsuit spainR, what a chump. Oh, and this hand is why sites need an “auto refill” choice, where I can add-on between hands automatically. Even though the all-in short stack move worked here, I’d rather have played that hand at full strength, but couldn’t add on in time.

$3 add on to fight at full strength.

What the fuck… (76s and a nice laydown)

…is going on?! (QQ) Do you like the check-fold on the river?

Funny, the chat in the QQ hand is regarding the 76 hand. “Tough river” for both of us, I just had the sense to fold and not open/call with a random 6. I knew someone was calling with a Q or a flush draw, and by the river they both got there, so I was done.

Holy crap this has been a rough session. I have not tilted in the slightest, though. All my mistakes were just me being stubborn, not me being steamy. Time to be done; last orbit.

I don’t know how KK held up for me, here, but a small victory on the final lap is certainly appreciated.

$4 + $2 + $3 -- > $2.72

61 Hands

2007.10.17

After the table whittled down to four players, I decided to bail. I was the SB, folded, and even wrote “$3.98” as my cashout below, figuring I was done. I look at my free hand and get KK, which gets all in preflop against JJ and holds up. I knew AA was a possibility, but I also knew he was calling my all in with a huge range that I was crushing. When you get reraised preflop at microstakes, you can basically assume your opponent has a hand they are willing to go all the way with.

$4 -- > $7.92

17 Hands

Thanks for the cheap draw! I thought someone might have the better flush, but when both checked to the aggressor, I felt I was good. Villain had KJo.

$4 -- > $5.14

8 Hands

2007.10.15

TT. Marsh was watching and lamented that I got no action on the flop, but I am happy to take that down right there. There are simply no happy flops for TT against multiple loose opponents that don’t contain a ten.

Table curled up and died.

$4 - $4.37

29 Hands

NLHE T1

A thin call, perhaps, but people do the check/all in thing with such a huge range at microstakes that I don’t totally hate the play. It could have easily been K-high or an underpair. I should probably be letting those go, though, especially unsuited.

$4 +$2 à $3.98

30 Hands

NLHE T2

Funny hand. The 6s managed to get one player playing the board to call…

KK holds up against villain’s Qto.

Ah7h hammer hammer hammer.

AK, never felt I could bet it past preflop. Villains had A4o and 72o.

$4 à $6.08

50 Hands

Wow, a frustrating two-hand sequence against the same nemesis, where I misplay the river in the first and then get sucked out on in the next.

Finally a hand works out for me at this table.

AsKs that didn’t work out. The frustrating session almost had me calling the flop all in, but I wasn’t beating anything, and was likely up against a set. What else would he bet into me with after showing preflop super strength? No steam calls, Ryan.

$4 + $2 + $1 -> $2.08

?? Hands

2007.10.13/14

NLHE

AK on the first hand doubles me up, but I lose a bit before the blinds come around so I keep playing.

I made an uncharacteristic move on this hand (66), and was reminded why such moves are rightfully uncharacteristic for me at microstakes. Just bet the probable best hands and occasionally c-bet, Ryan. Check/fold the rest. Between actually facing a good hand and actually facing a donk, the EV isn’t there for moves like that. Should have folded the flop.

Toiling away in the set mines finally pays off big. I really wanted BOOD22 to give back the money I donked in my move hand above, but I’ll settle for JKev07’s stack.

So let me lose most of that juicy profit on the very next hand. BAH! Well, I can get away from that hand at WNP or whatever, but at microstakes cake, it is –EV to fold worrying about being outkicked, here. With no preflop raises, only two hands are beating me here (three if you think 88 would not be raised, because AJ would be for sure). Way more often than not in this spot, the T will be the best kicker with no preflop raise. This hand is more evidence that the spainR is obviously superior to junkers like JTs and QJs.

$4 -- > $7.14

26 Hands

Frustrating to cash out for $7.14 when I had $10+ to leave with after the set of fives, but I flopped trips and got outkicked, what can you do?

NLHE

Bet/raise if you hit, check/fold if you miss. (AK) Gotta keep playing like this. No moves allowed until following those rules no longer produces a profit.

Live by AK, die by AK. Still won’t fold it preflop.

“He called my flop raise? OK, I guess I have to hope for no diamond…” Crap. (AcTd)

Ouch, this one hurt. Could not put him on AK there.

Sigh.

$4 +$2 -- > $0

26 Hands

NLHE

I don’t regret how strongly I played this one, just how it turned out.

$4 – $2.79

10 Hands

O8

The superscoop!

The Jason defense hand: the nuts don’t always win (or to put it more accurately, Omaha hands aren’t always won by the nuts.) I felt that based on the betting, I wassn’t behind a boat, so I made the raise with the non-boat nuts and got the call.

$4 - $9.36

14 Hands

NLHE

The hearts would have got there anyway (Jh8h).

$4 – $5.10

24 Hands

O8

This is why I want to play more O8. Gambly and swingy, yes, but look what these people are gambling with! Some reasonable preflop discipline and the EV is excellent as long as at least one player is being ridiculous, as there is here.

An appropriate chase-and-miss drops me down, so I add on $4, but this is the end of my O8 budget for right now.

OK, bad move. But I have 30% equity in ROT, and based on how the table was playing above, I don’t hate it, I just hate that I had one of my own flush outs, and no low. How to handle AA single-suited with no low draw at O8 is a question for the 2+2 forums, I think.

$5 +$4 -- > $0

6 Hands

NLHE

Felt like he was on the flush draw, so the river call surprised me. He caught just enough to look me up.

My KK gets AK all in after a K-high flop.

$4-- > $8.62

23 hands

NLHE

This guy had moved in preflop last hand, and was clearly looking to gamble. It wasn’t an insta call, but I really felt I had the best hand based on how he was playing. The other caller was a surprise.

He misplayed it.

Protect! Protect! (AT)

$4 - $9.74

32 Hands

NLHE

$4 – $4.08

9 Hands

3-Gold-Coin Freeroll Tournament

AA vs. 7d4d, flop is 974, turn is a 4. Bye now.

NLHE

No post-worthy hands.

$4 - $3.88

27 hands

NLHE

I dumped AJo to the flop raise, here, I just didn’t feel good.

Villain had AQ, I tried to rep a failed c-bet, but didn’t get the max out of the hand. Should have just bet the turn, shocker.

$4 -- > $4.69

45 Hands

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2007.10.11

NLHE - .02/.04

Double up plus on my first hand.

OK, I call a pot-sized bet on the flop with the open-ender, here. It was probably a bad play even at mircostakes, but here was my microstakes thinking:

• With three players left to act at microstakes, you can expect a caller or two behind you here way more often than you will get at a better game
• You will get paid off more consistently when you hit at microstakes, so the implied odds are better
• If someone raises, it’s not a bad thing per se, as you can get into a situation where you have 8 clean outs to the nuts against two players and a triple up

I’m definitely more willing to gamble at these stakes, not because it’s a small real-world amount of money, but because your opponents at this level are looking to gamble. I think to succeed, you must be willing to oblige them when it is +EV in the slightest.

I don’t know if it was here or not, and this kind of situation comes up enough at microstakes (facing a pot-sized bet with a clean draw on the flop and multiple players behind) that I am going to look into it some more so I have a better idea of my EV in future situations like this.

$4 --> $8.24

1 Hand

NLHE .02/.04

I don’t mind limps with hands like this, you frequently see flops and get paid with monsters. This is the downside, though. The better flush draw leaving me with a fraction of the outs I thought I had.

Be the one massively overbetting, not calling…

(Rockets!) I’m actually starting to recognize some opponents, like coopershawk. He plays loose/passive preflop, calls light postflop, and chases draws for terrible prices. He must have had complete air on this flop to fold to me.

Played the river pretty soft, should have raised. If she had a boat or flush, she would have bet more than $.04 on the river.

I should start changing my name, I don’t want others to recognize me…

$4 --> $4.84

79 Hands

I’ve been not adding on when significantly below $4 to make for easier tracking, but I think I should start; it’s costing me money in hands like the JJ vs. QT.

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2007.10.11

NLHE

$4 --> $3.90

7 Hands

NLHE

Wow, look at these two donks slowplaying their monsters back and forth to suck/resuck perfection on my first hand.

Interesting three-way chop. Double-domination preflop isn’t what it used to be.

Classic microstakes move #272: minbet the flop and turn, then hammer the river. I just have a 6, here, and I smell the move a mile away, but I’m happy to take my cheap shot at five outs, knowing that I’ll get a big bet into me if I hit.

AcKc…you think I’m going to the felt with that flop?

A long, mostly eventless grind. That AK, this J8, and a KQ on my final hand combine to give me some sugar after an hour of occasional speculation and fruitless set mining.

$4 + $1 --> $5.14

86 Hands

2007.10.10

NLHE

First hand in! TT. I probed with the reraise, but I didn’t know enough about the guy to go any farther when he repops. Then he shows me my good lay. Thanks!

I lost track of my stack size, here, thinking I had a full buy that I could get cute with on the turn. Wish I had bought up! Surprising hand from “catchy,” I think we have our table fish.

Based on the fours from before, I felt good enough to raise catchy on the turn, but not good enough to v-bet the river with that ace.

Having seen catchy chase and chase by now (I mean hell, he’s named “catchy”), I had to let Ts9s go after a one-card straight hits and he bets out.

Another fold (Q9o) when a draw hits and the guy who flat calls my flop raise bets out. I fear scare cards more at microstakes since players are chasing at a high rate.

Maybe a pussy non-raise given microstakes tendencies, but the third nuts facing a bet and a raise seemed like just a call to me.

$4 --> $9.16

19 Hands

NLHE

Multi-tabled, playing this at the same time as the session above.

Folded a bunch of hands, then Yahtzee! This is why I won’t fold AK preflop at microstakes.

Lost a couple bucks pushing JJ too far and then staring at a bet I couldn’t fold to despite feeling beat. My worst-played hand of the session.

$4--> $7.64

20 hands

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2007.10.08

NLHE

$4 - $5.04

10 Hands

NLHE 30-Player Tournament

$1.00 + $.10

In classic microstakes form, everyone is throwing their chips around like drunk Steve. “Corina” in particular has been raising and calling with anything, and has been pretty lucky. I’m looking to let “her” do the betting for me when I finally catch a hand. I get AKo UTG and just limp because it’s likely someone will raise based on the table action. That doesn’t happen, but the flop looks good for me and I get what I was looking for: Corina making a terrible call against me. Pass the Sklanski bucks.

Busto

NLHE

I can’t take it. This is the kind of shit that busted me online last time. And this. I’m not saying these were great plays, but they are what I think you have to do: overplay premium hands because somebody with a worse hand will play back. They just keep winning against me lately.

$4 – $0

43 Hands

O8

Nice flop, meh turn, nice river.

But it’s Omaha, so naturally I throw away my profit on the next hand because I’m stubborn and ignore my gut too much.

Wow. Sets in O8 just suck ass. Fucking donkeys.

$4 – $0

11 Hands

O8

I'm clearly not playing correctly. The poker gods are just hitting me over the head with how vulnerable sets are in Omaha, especially undersets. These tables are soooo beatable…I’m just not playing optimally, and I’m getting unlucky to boot.

But Omaha sets! Holy crap! Unless the board is as dry as they come and you have top set (you have KK on a board of K92 rainbow), they are drawing hands. Let’s say the flop is 9h 8h 2s and you have 9c 9d Ad 2c. You don’t have “top set.” You don’t have “the nuts.” That’s hold’em thinking. You have six outs on the flop, and maybe three more on the turn, assuming an overcard doesn’t have you drawing to a one-outer, and it’s probably to a chop, not a scoop.

Here, poker stoving (well, ProPokerTooling) this hand and this flop against four random hands (and in microstakes O8, you will have four opponents), you have only 30% equity. You are the “favorite,” but do you hammer it, or do you treat it like a typical open-ender in hold’em? I don't know what the correct play is in situations like this. I may take some O8 questions to the 2+2 forums...

$4 – $0

1 Hand

O8

OK, look, just folded two pair without a thought (Q325), I’m getting better! Of course, the hi winner ends up winning with two pair.

Sob, I can’t do anything right…Folded A2 on the turn with no diamond flush. OK, not a bad fold, I am being openly ROTey, but crap I want some dollars!

I think I finally played a flopped set correctly. And one finally connected on the river.

Folded 3dAs8s5h which would have won the low, but I like the fold. That’s a terrible place to take a stand.

$4 + $2 – $5.42

25 Hands

OK, I feel like I just got roofied. Was up at $90, now I’m almost sugar-free.

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2007.10.07

O8

Busted on the second hand. I made what I hoped would be a sweetener raise with A24x and a good shot at a nut low, but it got bumped by a short stack. I had a nice low draw, and decided to go with it figuring that I would take half the pot if a low came barring a nasty counterfeiting. Turns out another guy had my exact low, so I was quartering at best.

I knew it was risky, but also figured it couldn’t hurt to set a rep as a gambler for a rebuy with so many big stacks at the table. Plan B it is.

$4 – > $0 – 2 Hands

O8

Awesome lolmaha. Had to run the numbers on that hand. If I had joined in with my 6h2h6c4d, it would have looked like this. Interesting to note that the guy with AA had the worst EV because of his lack of a winnable low.

More Awsome lolmaha, this time I’m the recipient of the jackpot.

This time it busts me. Very next hand, too. Good old flop nuts that fail to hold up. This is an interesting one to stove. I have the absolute nuts on the flop, but with no low draw and my vulnerability to straight and flush draws, I’m actually in third place in the EV race! By the turn, when I get it all in there, my EV is 40%, but the river killed me.

This underscores the importance of seeing flops in O8 with solid low draws. You lose so much EV without a shot at the low that the flopped nuts only had 27% EV in that hand!

$4 --> 0 - 5 hands

O8

Major gambly table. Hand history feature went on the fritz during this run, but I couldn’t even make it around to my BB to cash out up before I was compelled to shove with the odds. It didn’t work out and I busted again.

$6 --> $0 – 12 hands

So, O8 decimated my bankroll in this session. I knew it would be a swingy game to play in the challenge, but if I had just enforced a “cash out immediately when 10% of bankroll is on the table” policy instead of waiting for my BB, I would have finished near-even. Also, this table was just insane, even relative to normal microstakes O8. Total gamble-fest.

NLHE

$4 +$4 -- > $4.49

NLHE

$3.30 Tournament

Down to under $1k, I find KK and get healthy. Many hands later…OMFG, this is just brutal. And I’m out.

Gotta play more microstakes MTTs, the gambling is outrageous, should be well profitable in the long run.

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2007.10.06

O8

Flopped a set and top pair, was sure I was still ahead on the flop, pretty sure I was ahead on the turn, and dead sure I was behind on the river. Buyup!

I never play 92o, but double it for O8? Sign me up! I had no idea how I was still good by the river, I thought I was busted for sure. (V1=6cAcAd2d, V2=Qc2c3c4c) Both were aiming low and didn't have two spades on them.

Wait for the blinds and bail…

$4 + $3 --> $11.72 – 16 Hands

NLHE

Down a little after a big preflop raise with AJo and a c-bet, then doubled up with QQ. I knew this guy had an 8, just didn’t know what his other card was.

Then had my big score. lol. 1eyetex had a random king.

Oh, and this hand could be the cover of a book…

$4--> $9.90 – 43 Hands

O8

$4 +$1 --> $7.06 – 21 Hands

NLHE

On a whim I tried moving in with QQ on my second hand after a minraise and a call in front. Nobody had anything good enough to call with, but I thought I might look like your basic microstakes gambler by making that move on my second hand.

Tried a bluff and got reraised on the flop. Doubled up later. Wasn’t enough to avoid my first losing session in a while.

$4 --> $3.30 – 12 hands

NLHE

Let’s try some six-handed.

Traded a few minor blows before the game collapsed.

$4 --> $4.26 – 14 hands

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2007.10.05

More O8

I swear, I don't even know what happened here with that river call (8433hh). If I can't avoid bad Omaha calls like this, I can't include Omaha in my cake-challenge game selection or I will destroy my bankroll.

Well, I added on a couple times and got some sugar in the end.

$4 +$1 +$1 --> $7.04

Let's go again!

$4-->$10.59

And Again!

Sat down in the BB, and bought in for $6 because I wanted to get bought in before the hand ended and blinds passed. Won my first two hands, was up over $4, cruised the rest of the orbit and cashed out.

$6 --> $10.61

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2007.10.04

Omaha 8!

I really wanted to play some Omaha, but with no .02/.04 available, I bought in for $4 at the .05/.10 O8 table. Took my chances with this hand early on, but it didn't work out, and I busted. My "draw" that I liked turned out to be horrible after seeing the winner's hand. Gotta watch out for going to the felt on a nut low draw that will quarter you when it hits. Quartered nut lows happen all the time in O8.

$4 --> $0

I know swingy Omaha isn’t an ideal "bankroll management" game, especially at a touch over Ferguson stakes, but I think my bankroll cushion is big enough--and people play it badly enough--that I can risk the inherent swings in the game for the reward.

To that end, another shot; if I bust out, I'll get off the Omaha train before it decimates my bankroll…

I guess if I couldn't get away from the second nut low here (which I couldn't), I should have bet it.

Well, Omaha smiled on me in the way only Omaha can, when I went all in with a set, a flush draw, and the nut low draw, missed them all and hit runner-runner Broadway for the nuts and no low instead. (I thought I got the hand link, but I can’t find it).

I quit at my next blind like a good boy. I even folded bottom set (A633hhh) to a big flop bet. I had no straight or flush redraws and an awful low draw, and look what ended up happening. This is what I mean about playing Omaha smart…pick and choose when to gamble, because most of your opponents will be set to “always.”

$4 --> $13.60

Hold'em

I played at this hold'em table at the same time as the Omaha table. Had a couple key hands (villain = 8s7c) to put me ahead about $3.50, then had this hand on my last orbit. Solid sugar from both tables despite the early Omaha stumble.

$4 --> $10.16

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2007.10.03

In this hand, The min-raise preflop and the min-raise on the flop confused me a bit. I'm not sure how the hand would have gone down if I didn't catch one of my 3s or Qs to make things more straightforward. A more serious raise on the flop would have got me to fold, but he did have me confused.

On this hand, I get 99, and I'm facing an EP standard preflop raise and one caller. In spots like this, you have to decide right then if you are going to treat 99 like a better pocket pair, or a worse one. You certainly can't treat them like nines; that would be a disaster.

On the previous hand, I raised in the CO with QJ off, c-bet a K-high flop, got called, checked it down, and won with a river J. I had to show the table my marginal raise, though, which is an image adjuster. Because of that last hand, I felt re-raising with the nines would get me more action than I wanted, so I decided to treat them like a worse pair and set mine. With that many to the flop, I'm done when the board pairs jacks. Aficionado2 doesn't show, but I'm certain he held a jack.

If there's no reraise, I'm happily calling this obvious short-stack gambler with my ATss. The iso reraise works with QQ, though, and I correctly fold what would have been a big winner.

(AKcc) I liked the raise to $.30 (slightly more than pot-sized) preflop, because someone is probably going to pay that awful price to see a flop. When they do, and I hit top top with a flop that dry, I should have made a callable bet and not the microstakes overshove, but he did take until the last second to decide to fold.

(AQo) God, just when I'm doing great, I fuck it up. Classic, I was going to quit when the blinds got to me, too. Layla had been playing pretty loose, betting and calling with lots of marginal hands postflop, so I don't think it was a horrible call, but I didn't have to lose a buyin on that hand. I should have cut my losses on the river.

OK, I hit a flush and made $.33 of sugar. Good enough for now, if frustrating that I don't have my almost-$4 in sugar…

$4 --> $4.33

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2007.10.02

NLHE

Sometimes you have to fold quads. (32o)

Expert play at the microstakes! I love the minraise war on the turn where the guy with trip sixes lets the gutshot hit with his awful betting. Really, I'm including this hand to show manderson's $2 bet into the $1 pot with the straight on the river. I think most 100%+ pot-sized bets on the river at $.02/$.04 are just the mircostakes equivalent of value bets.

6h5h - OK, the micro-stakes value bet on the river didn't work out on this one, but the whole min-bet-the-flop-and-turn thing created Jason's dream scenario: the chaseable gutshot/runner-runner!

Brutal. If he had pushed instead of check-min-raised, I might have thought I was behind and folded. Well, I got him to make a big mistake, so there you go. That's why proper bankroll management involves such a big cushion. You need to be able to withstand a ton of beats like that in a row without busting, because at some point, you will get tons of beats like that in a row.

I lose a coinflip with AK. I will pretty much never fold AK preflop at microstakes. I had AA the previous hand and won without a showdown, so my short-term image was very aggro. When I raise again on the next hand and someone overshoves, it's almost certain I've got a coin flip at worst, and maybe even domination. Also, sometimes that third player will gamble in terrible shape in that spot as well and make the call.

And that will do it for this nasty little session.

$4, +$2.89, +$2.02 --> $3.82, 40 hands

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Hand 1

Hand 2 (I have AK)

Hand 3

Despite the help from RJ, I’m going to skip putting hand links in the spreadsheet, and instead use this post. That way I can more easily include commentary on the hands.

9/23

Villain's river bet felt like a go-away move, so I made the call.

9/24 $4.00 --> $8.10

Three-club flop wasn't ideal, but I bet strong to make any draws pay, and to check for any made hands.. If the one big stack had raised I would have folded, but I couldn't sweat that one of those small stacks might be made or suck out.

These are the laydowns I have to make regularly online if my online game is going to ever match my live game. I keep forgetting it doesn't save the Hero's hand info in the link if Hero folds. I'm pretty sure I had JJ, QQ, or KK here, and gave him credit.

I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts on this very common online maneuver that "get a beer" pulls here: tiny-betting the flop and turn. I make my hand on the river, but since any T beats me, I can only call on the river. Sometimes it seems to be a "feel for check/fold" buttons. Other times it's "I have a monster and I am going to make a big bet on the river." Sometimes it feels like a blocking bet. In any case I see it frequently at every stake level I've played online. In this case, it just gave me a fine price to draw, and at $.04 tables, I'm not even going to semi-bluff that often.

9/26 $4.00 --> $7.90

I wasn't even in this hand, I folded A7o preflop, but it illustrates something important about microstakes online poker: at least half the table is there specifically to gamble cheaply, not to play good poker. Just wait for great hands and play them super-aggressively.

I somehow failed to make a page out of it, but on the next hand I played a strong hand aggressively and busted someone.

Sometimes they catch you. Not that KJs is a great hand, but against this guy it was an instacall, especially with his stack. You can ID the ones really there to gamble pretty easily after a few hands.

AcQd played aggressively. Give people chasing the chance to make huge mistakes, because at these stakes, they will. With two flush draws on the turn, I overshoved to do just that, but he went away.

Beware of the person overbetting at you, they may be playing the style I'm suggesting, as this guy is here. He made two pair, massively overshoved, and ran into my better two pair, but I certainly like his overshove more than a standard raise in this spot.

A nice hand to quit on.

Today's microstakes lesson: be the overshover, don't call the overshover. That's "everyone on here is a donk" thinking that will turn you into a donk faster than Pinoccio on Pleasure Island.