Oh give me a break. KNEW I was good on the flop and turn. Fucker hits his four-outer, and I knew that too when he bet it, but I couldn't fold with those pot odds.
+$6
More annoyance with AAK2cc. The second board pair coupled with his seeming v-bet on the river scared me off.
I go all the way with a boat/nut-flush draw, and hit the nuts. The set alone was good, as it turns out. Terrible calls from villain, with just a gutshot and ten-high flush draws.
spainR is the nuts in PLO, too...even though neither the eight nor the jack made my hand.
(8875) With no pf raise, my bottom set feels good here, and clearly is.
With AXhh in my hand, I get fine odds to cap the action chasing the nuts, but miss.
(AAK5ss) Hammer on the draws.
I called here just to see how bad the crap he was playing was. Pretty bad. I must finish this session with sugar!
Bah, I should have bailed on my flush draw the second I saw the paired board. I figured the villain was on a random queen, the question on the turn is, am I against a boat, or am I letting trips draw to one cheaply? The question is so hard to answer, that's why you just don't continue on the paired board. (It was a min-bet, though!)
+$4
Squeezed the most I could out with quads. Villain just had a straight, not even a boat.
Based on this player's play so far, I just thought I was good, there.
I luck out a bit, I probably wasn't committed on that flop, but was in a gambling mood.
I win a gold card! Yay, bonus thingy I don't completely understand!
bluff.girl pays off the nuts with top three pair.
Not that I'm going to quit now, but I have reclaimed sugar for the session.
"BLUFFINALLIN" lives up to his name by posting and doing just that on his first hand, handing me four bucks, and leaving.
Quite a ride this session, but I'm going to quit while I still have some sugar. Thanks, BLUFFIN!
$16 --> $18
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Two questions:
1. Why no raise pf with AAK5ss?
2. Even though you won the hand, you’re willing to call from the sb with 8875? I guess so, but still feels really dangerous. Kinda like playing K10o in NLHE in your previous post.
3. Do you hate that I’m commenting on your PLO play, even though I’ve probably played, oh, 20 hands of PLO in my entire life?
Er, that’s three questions. Forgot to amend my intro after coming up with that third question.
Whoops.
1) AAK5…I think I grabbed the wrong hand history, here. My recollection of a 733 flop is when I had 73 in hand and flopped a boat, and my question was whether or not to bet. My recollection of making that comment about “hammering the draws” is when the board was unpaired and two-suited, and I PB the flop, got a call, PV the turn, and got a fold. I’ll have to look this one up when I get home to verify if I actually had AAK5.
If I did have AK55 here, my normal play is definitely a raise, but there is a pot-control argument for just checking. You are OOP, the entire table has limped, and based on play so far, it’s likely that most of the table will be calling if you raise. That puts you in a position where making a pot-appropriate bet on the flop would basically be committing you, and there are going to be very few flops where you are sure of where you stand, and very few flops that don’t demand some kind of bet from you.
Jason has said repeatedly that he finds position relatively unimportant in Omaha. Again, while I cannot deny his success, my experience has been the complete opposite. In fact, position has felt more important to me in O/O8 than in hold’em. In our “do you complete from the SB with junk” exchange, Jason said, essentially, that you can do that in hold’em because you can bluff or stab when your junk misses and expect to take down the pot a fair amount. In O/O8, you are far less likely to be able to bet with air when your junk misses and actually take down the pot.
To me, that is evidence that position is more important in O/O8 because you *can’t* “bet your way out of it” the way you can in hold’em. And the compound nature of the pot limit changes things so dramatically depending on position. Also, people are so focused on protecting their hands, you don’t get as much check-raising in O/O8 as you do in hold’em. The information you get by acting last on the flop in O/O8 is usually “cleaner” than the info you get acting last in hold’em. I think Jason has always valued position less than I have, so that’s just carrying over into Omaha, I guess.
So, I’m spending a lot of words defending a line I don’t even think I took with AAK5. But if you don’t want to have to play for your entire stack OOP when most flops will leave you uncertain as to whether or not you are good, checking there to control the pot size and mitigate your bad position is a legitimate approach. Raising with AA: also a legitimate approach. :)
2) 8875: absolutely I’ll play such a hand getting 9:1 to see a flop. The “middle cards suck” philosophy of O8 is O8-specific because of the premise that you cannot hit a high hand without qualifying a low in the process. So, to play middle cards in O8 is to play for half the pot out of the gate, which is bad. In PLO, you can treat connected/paired/suited like you would treat 88, 87s or 75s in hold’em: speculative hands that are well disguised when they hit, and easy to get away from when they miss. In that way, I find playing 8875s OOP easier in PLO than I do AAKX, and it’s not nearly as dangerous as KTs in hold’em. KTs is one of those easily-dominated hands that will get you into trouble. 8875 in PLO is rarely going to leave you wondering on the flop the way KTs will in hold’em, so getting 9:1 to look at a flop with it, sure take a peek. I’d fold it UTG, though, for example.
3) I love it. It means that you are reading, which is awesome, and I don’t mind being challenged to speak to my thought process in a hand. Being forced to explain my own actions in a hand helps reinforce the good and identify and own up to the bad, so keep it coming.
Yeah, that wasn't the hand. Here's the hand I linked to, and the hand I meant to link to. Sometime when I don't have the flu, maybe I'll set the link straight:
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Hand #1414012354000323: Odesa (6-max) 12354
Seat 1: wwcd1 (10.42 in chips)
Seat 2: ILJIA (22.53 in chips)
Seat 3: TeddiSmit (7.08 in chips)
Seat 8: TheHouse72 (7.00 in chips)
Seat 9: dirtyqtip (8.18 in chips)
Seat 10: pokahploppy (12.13 in chips)
TeddiSmit: posts small blind $0.05
TheHouse72: posts big blind $0.10
Dealt to TheHouse72 [ Js 8s 3h 7s ]
dirtyqtip: calls
pokahploppy: calls
wwcd1: calls
ILJIA: calls
TeddiSmit: calls
TheHouse72: checks
*** FLOP *** [ 3c 7c 3s ]
TeddiSmit: checks
TheHouse72: bets $0.60
dirtyqtip: folds
pokahploppy: folds
wwcd1: folds
ILJIA: folds
TeddiSmit: folds
TheHouse72: returns uncalled bet $0.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheHouse72: mucks
TheHouse72 wins $0.60
Hand #1414012354000329: Odesa (6-max) 12354
Seat 1: wwcd1 (9.62 in chips)
Seat 2: ILJIA (20.33 in chips)
Seat 3: TeddiSmit (6.88 in chips)
Seat 8: TheHouse72 (7.40 in chips)
Seat 9: dirtyqtip (10.53 in chips)
Seat 10: pokahploppy (12.13 in chips)
TeddiSmit: posts small blind $0.05
TheHouse72: posts big blind $0.10
Dealt to TheHouse72 [ 5s Ks Ac Ah ]
dirtyqtip: folds
pokahploppy: folds
wwcd1: calls
TeddiSmit: calls
TheHouse72: raises to $0.40
wwcd1: calls
TeddiSmit: calls
*** FLOP *** [ 8d 9d 5h ]
TeddiSmit: checks
TheHouse72: bets $1.20
wwcd1: calls
TeddiSmit: calls
*** TURN *** [ 2h ]
TeddiSmit: checks
TheHouse72: bets $4.80
wwcd1: folds
TeddiSmit: folds
TheHouse72: returns uncalled bet $4.80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheHouse72: mucks
TheHouse72 wins $4.60
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So, yes, I defended a line I didn't even take above, but I like the line I did take here: raise, but not a PB. (.40 instead of .55). In a loose Omaha game, if you skip finesse and just PB your good hands OOP with multiple limpers, you are ballooning pots and not managing pot size in a vulnerable spot.
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