Hands numbered for your coal-raking convenience.
1. (A Kh 3h 2) I liked my turn bet once I had a pure nut low draw and the second-nut flush draw. On the river I was afraid that I was betting into a quartering, but instead I take it down.
2. (AAKKdd) I wish I'd saved this starting hand for a PLO session. I wave the red flag on the turn with the check-behind, then fold on the river. That's correct there, yes? I'm calling $3 to win $1.50, and the chaances I'm scooped seem pretty high.
I won't be a good O8 player until I can read a hand like this and get away properly. Just bad...it all looks so obvious to me after the fact, but I can be five seconds too late with my processing at O8, and that can be an expensive five seconds. The pf raise screams AAxx, and if it's not a boat beating me with AA, it's probably the AXs beating me. As it is, he had both. So bad.
+$5
I folded 7665 single-suited to a couple of limps in MP, so I'm trying to make amends with the O8 Discipline Gods.
4. And I am rewarded.
5. The quartering fairy gets high again, and with the second-nuts again. The low is all mine.
6. (KK65hh) The pb reraise of my sweetener says AA, but I'm compelled to call when it comes back around to me. After that I have the sense to fold to the pb despite top two.
7. Do you just fold this UTG? Three wheel cards and a suited ace lure me to try for the cheap flop, but my pf hand selection instincts are not refined.
I bet second-nut low and nut flush draw on flop and turn, but nut flow/pair scoops on a checked river when I don't get there.
8. Another loose pf call works out, but that was a tense river.
I fold 7665 single-suited to a limp in MP to appease the O8DGs.
9. Fuck, this was a mistake, as in misclick, on the river. I feared the quartering and was just intending to check call and minimize the damage. I accidentally raised, and the nightmare came true. Ouch.
God this game is beatable. If I could play with just slightly more sense, slightly more pf discipline, slightly faster "figure it out" times, and no fucking misclicks, I could clean up like...well...Jason. OK, that's a lot of places requiring improvement, but I can do it.
10. Fuck again. I knew this villain had a worse J, but he found a boat. I guess I could have slowed up, but he was so short it was going in...
11. Aaaaaand...I die on this hill. Save my $1.17 on the turn? I felt committed, but maybe I wasn't.
A deeply-humbling session of O8 to remind me of how far I have to go with this game. I'm terrible (yet still +EV at these tables).
$10 --> $0
55 Hands
$285.14
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3 comments:
Really, you did not play that badly. Well except for the call with what I assume was broadway against the paired board and the flush.
Hand 2, the fold is definitely correct on the river.
Hand 6, you might just want to fold this preflop after you are reraised. You are basically just set mining at this point with your KK, and the villain has more than a 10th of his stack committed preflop. Would you set mine with pocket fours in NL Holdem, if a villain reraised you preflop with about 15 percent of his stack already in. Your other 2 cards, 5,6 are pure garbage so I would likely only call here with 2 wheel cards and the KK.
This is more style than substance but I generally limp with KK hands. I treat them as set mining hands. I am OK with the raise preflop, I think it is fine given your position.
Hand 7, no friggin way I am folding preflop UTG. A suited ace and an Ace 3. I know I play tight preflop but this would be off the charts to throw this one away.
Hand 11, yes you were committed. An overpair and a second nut flush draw warrants a bet on the flop, you bet and were called. The 8 is an unlikely holding of an good player, villain just happened to have a random 8. You also counterfeighted top 2 so hanging in on the turn was fine, especially given your stack size.
Again, more a style preference than a criticism but I would generally limp with KK,4,7. Since you were double suited, the raise preflop is fine.
Don't worry, there are enough donks out there and you will conquer these tables in due time.
Came to the blog to make a comment and had a good chuckle at the beautiful redesign. I'll post on that in a second.
In hand #3, what were your holdings? It’s interesting that the villain had the nut flush as well as the boat. Did you have Broadway, as Jason says, or was it maybe the Kx of diamonds that connected for 2 pair (or jacks full of kings) on the river instead of the flush you were hoping for?
I agree with Jason on hand #7, seems playable. Similar to the hand I played at dealer’s choice last night when I had the nut-low and flush draws, but instead trip-up my 5 for the win.
#11: I don’t agree with the call on the turn. Jason says it’s hard to believe a good player would have a random 8 here, but my less-than-vast O8 sense tells me that it happens more often than Jason believes. I can see a number of instances that you’ll be going to the flop with a random 8 (and then not letting it go once you hit the two pair on the flop). 1) A hand with all low cards. 2) Most decent double-suited hands. 3) Most hands with AA8x or KK8x. Ryan, you certainly would have made the same raise with KK84ds as you did with KK74ds, right?.
I dunno, maybe I’m just showing my naivety. I suppose with the diamond draw it makes it ok to make that bet there.
I feel this particular villain’s call pre-flop is questionable (sure, suited ace, with wrap-straight potential, but with very marginal low-taking potential and a run of crap middle cards, clearly this guy isn’t the best player in the world.)
Thanks for indulging me, even though I have no idea what I’m talking about. I respond to these posts more out of a desire to work through it myself rather than to impose any sort of pretend-knowledge that I have. Hopefully you can take it for what it is: the ramblings of a naive, inexperienced, online NLHE-only player.
Oops, on hand three I don't even remember now, except I'm certain I had Broadway, and I *think* a diamond draw.
Thanks for the comments.
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